Plasma cosmology 2

Plasma cosmology holds that the universe is eternal and non-expanding.

How do plasma universe advocates reconcile this with observations that the cosmos is expanding, and even accelerating at that?

Again, as quoted from Dr. Danny Faulkner's Universe by Design (2004) [note: Faulkner is not an advocate of plasma cosmology]:

(a) plasma theorists reply that there are regions of the cosmos that are now expanding, but other regions are contracting as well;

(b) each region will eventually cancel out the other's action; and

(c) we just happen to be in a region where such expansion is occurring.

Thus to reverse the expansion back into a Big Bang would be an unjustified extrapolation they say.

The objections to plasma cosmology, on the next post.

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[Kosmiceggburst]

One thought here is that it could be that we are in a region of the universe that is contracting, making everything else appear to be expanding. Whether or not this is necessarily so, it is just the fact that a complementary perspective on cosmology like plasma cosmology, that delivers a value-added component that is beneficial in that it is competitive in nature. Either plasma cosmology tempers the standard cosmology, or it provides a much needed perspective on the big question marks that exist.

Perhaps a composite cosmology like standard/plasma is acceptable if done right. This could become metaphysical, but that is ok, as it would then become the proponency of the queen of the sciences -- theology. That is the "agenda" in the plasma cosmology interest.

In order for plasma cosmology to gain ground, it could migrate away from the pantheistic emphatic that it presupposes. The eternality of matter is convenient in that it gets away with being physics, when in fact eternality is metaphysics.

If plasma cosmologists are adamant about 99.999% of the cosmos being composed of the fourth state of matter, i.e, plasma, is the other .0001% dark energy, and would this not put us in the same boat as the 60% dark energy position that the standard cosmology finds itself in?

It also raises the question how the standard cosmology is able to posture itself that the cosmos in not composed of plasma, with any degree of credibility in the position. The disproportionate dark energy vis a vis plasma negative correlation seems to be an achilles heel.

[MK]

thanks for the comments.

this plasma universe view is really intriguing.

on the eternality of the universe aspect of this view, according to the theory's proponents, a big bang scenario is simply inconceivable on account of the law of conservation of matter and energy [which would be violated in the case of the big bang theory].

of course the big bang adherents and the string theorists (supposedly as supported by quantum mechanics) would be quick to reply that mathematically and experimentally, the nothingness of empty space is really but an illusion, since empty space is teeming with energy and quantum fluctuations, which results in the creation of particles and antiparticles from time to time.

quantum fluctuation or not, however, the christian view presupposes a supernatural event as being responsible for the creation of the universe. and thus, the christian and the atheist/naturalist may not have a common ground, as each will be arguing from his own presupposition, which can be mutually exclusive in some of the areas.

just thinking out loud.

[Chris Reeve]

Plasma cosmology asserts that not all redshifts are due to expansion. In fact, we know that this is the case because of Halton Arp's "Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies". We've imaged certain galaxies (go to his website to see which ones) that without a doubt have very high redshift quasars attached to them. Peer-review journals continues to ignore and even deny their existence, but an objective observer would most likely conclude from looking at the data that quasars are being ejected from the centers of galaxies (as they tend to exist approximately along the line going straight through the centers of galaxies) and that their redshifts decrease over time (quasars farthest from their source galaxies have lowest redshifts). I believe that Arp has actually gone so far as to decode the precise math involved with these peculiar redshifts and it's interesting to note that the age component of these quasar redshifts decreases in discrete amounts that appears to be the same for all quasars. As the quasars age, their redshifts decrease and the mass of the quasars appears to increase. The quasars appear to in fact be proto-galaxies.

If you are familiar with the big bang, then you are probably aware of the quite different explanations for quasars associated with that theory. The big bang would have us believe that the high redshift of quasars would locate them near the edge of the known universe and would amplify their already high luminosity to absolutely unbelievable amounts in order to compensate for this huge distance. However, we've known since the sixties that this cannot possibly be true because we can see that there are some quasars that are undeniably between us and local galaxies.

It's my firm belief that anybody who reads about plasma cosmology with an open mind will likely be persuaded by their arguments. We've arrived at many of our beliefs about the universe today without any validation ... dark matter, dark energy, black holes, neutron stars ... None of these things have actually been confirmed to exist. Plasma cosmologists contend that you end up with these sorts of strange concepts because gravity is such a weak force compared to the electric force (the electric force is 10^39 stronger than the gravitational force). There is no reason to believe that deep space is a vacuum free of charged particles. In fact, a critical eye looking at the images coming back these days will notice that the images we see these days with our telescopes have lost resemblance to gravitational effects. Of particular importance are the existence of huge magnetic fields that have been witnessed within the past few years. NASA tends to ignore the implications of this, but the www.thunderbolts.info guys sum it up pretty well:

1. Radio telescopes see radio waves throughout the cosmos.
2. Radio waves need BOTH magnetic and electric fields in order to exist.
3. Magnetic fields need electric currents in order to exist.
4. We can conclude that electric currents and electric fields exist in deep space.

[Fabio]

LOLLL!!
How do plasma universe advocates reconcile this with observations that the cosmos is expanding, and even accelerating at that?
Well any proposal will be surely better than the way used by BB to reconcile with the accelerating Universe... the Dark Energy.
Listen boy, why don't you do this question to BB supporters, seriously...